So almost a year ago, I had a short online conversation with the Substacker Flat Caps and Fatalism, about his piece "Without Saints." I eventually responded with my own blog entry, called "The Saints," where I remembered my life-changing encounter with Caedmon and Hild, and tried re-framing it as an encounter with a saint.
But additionally, in part of our conversation, FCF made this comment:
"....I wonder how common this feeling that you have to make your 'interest' [in saints or some aspect of religion] respectable is. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there are often seminar rooms with several people all talking in 'respectable' language about something they relate to in a far more complex way.
Have you read Orsi's 'History and Presence'? Your story makes me think of it a lot." (Comments, July 28th 2022)
I did in fact buy Robert Orsi's History and Presence after that exchange. But when the actual book arrived it look intimidating and I put off reading it. Finally today, a cool May day with rain, the kids at their grandparents', I started reading.
The first few chapters describe the theological disagreements of Catholics and Protestants and how these resulted in violence: rioting, torture, warfare, and (depending on one's affiliation) martyrdom. (Chapter 1, "The Obsolescence of the Gods). Now in the past three years, some aspects of Christianity seem clearer to me, and I even feel something like a call to participate. But, what Orsi describes is completely alienating. Obviously such carnage happened, it is documented, but there is no chime of understanding in me.
Or is there.
Maybe I have just not been listening for it. Maybe it's the last thing I want to hear.
I was born in Canada, with a immigrant Greek father and a Canadian mother of Russian descent. People who hear me say that usually make a few assumptions about my cultural background immediately. Most of them are wrong.
- I don't speak Greek or Russian, and this was deliberate on both parents' part. I never met my dad's parents and while I met my mom's parents and my dad's sister, there was a language barrier.
- I was raised with Christian stories. But not only do I have no background in the Greek or Russian Orthodox churches, I was raised to be actively hostile towards all churches.
- Growing up, I had almost no deliberate exposure to Russian or Greek culture or traditions, though there was some accidental exposure, for sure.
- As a child I celebrated no holidays, not birthdays, not Christmas or Easter or Halloween. Nothing.
Now, my childhood was not terrible; in fact it was extraordinarily rich in many ways. Family has always been my safe place, even when it was complicated, so I'm not trying to make my childhood family sound crazy or anything. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that they were always trying to do what they thought was right.
Still, when I think of my cultural background, it's hard for me to put into words just how fragmented and filled with loss it feels. If I include religious experiences and feelings in there, even more so. It's like an abyss that I only look at sideways, because looking right into it is overwhelming.
But maybe it's time to look at bit more closely at these pieces of cultural inheritance. I will start by learning about the Doukhabours, the Russian sect that my mother's family came from. They were both her cultural inheritance and a group she didn't want to be associated with at all, at least not when she was interacting with people outside her family. The Doukhabours were a sect that developed in Russia, and many eventually came to Canada because of religious persecution. My mother's grandparents were among those that immigrated.
There's some general information on websites, but I'm currently reading this thesis: MQ36523.pdf (doukhobor.org) It is a history and comparison of the Doukhabours and Mennonites. It will take me a while to go through it, so I'm optimistically titling this blog entry as "one" assuming there will be other entries. (But I'm kind of bad at long reading projects, so the likelihood of me making progress, or alternately, just continuing to be angsty and confused are equally likely.)
Observations/questions so far:
- I don't know if it's possible to reach a sympathetic understanding of the early Doukhabours (the ones who lived in Russia). So far I find it hard to relate (several levels of dislocation). It's natural to want to find points of sympathy with one's ancestors, but so far not.
- The history of the Doukhabours frequently involves isolation from the mainstream society as they tried to maintain their culture and religious practices.
- Many of the bloggers/stackers I read speculate about stepping away from an increasingly technological society and forming "parallel societies". There is logic to it, even a sort of cool "rebel" factor. But reading Doukhabour history should give one pause before promoting this idea. Corruption, scandal and misery are all just as likely in an isolated society, if not more so. It's rather depressing to read about, truthfully.
Hey! Sorry for the delay responding to this. Life has been busy and I've been online less. I'm reading fewer posts and writing not at all at the minute. I remember our conversation, though I'd forgotten recommending Orsi.
ReplyDeleteI found the book really impressive. It really drove home to me the extent to which academic 'neutrality', especially in the social sciences, is basically the result of taking one side in an old battle between Protestantism and Catholicism in the West.
I can't remember exactly what was going through my mind, but I think I recommended it because your comment struck me as being about a sense of 'presence'; but, of course, the very idea of presence, even as a subjective experience, is beyond what polite academic society allows.
I would entirely endorse your hesitation with 'parallel societies'. I don't think we can step away from evil. It is in each of us too. Perhaps the best we can do is to strive to be good and trust that, despite our corruption and powerlessness, better days will come (which reminds me of a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBVnjWST3t0 )
Diana has a lovely voice, thank you! Now I don't know if I can entirely get behind the sentiment that "better days will come"....because sometimes they don't haha, at least in the short term. I am writing this as I come off a string of seemingly bad luck: illness in the family, then a road trip where my car broke down (I still don't know if it will run again!!) I think I would modify the statement to: Amongst the challenging days, better times will be discovered. For example, my car break down led to re-uniting with my husband's aunt as she came to help us. Now, to turn that idea into a catchy line for a song!
DeleteThank you for continuing to read and for taking the time to comment. I understand better now why you recommended the book, and I appreciate that you took the time to do so. I am enjoying it, and it's the mark of a good book if it inspires me to delve deeper into something, which it already has. I look forward to a greater understanding of what Orsi means by "presence." These days, I feel so often like I'm looking for something that nobody bothers to name, and it's so hard to grasp it. It's so hard to find a way to talk about the spiritual, so easy for the conversation to be sidetracked into something more comfortable, even by the people trying to have the conversation.
I am well overdue to pay serious attention to my own inheritance. I have often avoided it because the message "you can just be what you want" and endlessly re-invent yourself is so, so seductive. Part of the reason that I think my most recent quest is the real thing is that I feel provoked to look into parts of myself and my history that I kinda like to avoid. I feel like now is the time to do hard things.
"something that nobody bothers to name" - that is the trick behind the erasure of presence, I think, or part of it anyway. We are led to believe everything can be named, categorised, made linguistically available. Then everything that can't be boxed in by words is lost; or, if felt, becomes disquieting, strange.
ReplyDeleteNot to say words have no place - metaphor and paradox can both point towards something beyond what can be said directly.
Inheritance is surely always hard. All any of us have are fragments and scraps really.
Indeed.....
DeleteNot everything can be named, and perhaps presence is the thing that cannot be named or boxed in with definitions....
Still, one can tell stories about presence, have conversations that point to such a thing.
I am a long time fan of LM Montgomery's. She is most famous for Anne of Green Gables, but the example I am thinking of is from the less famous (but also well loved) trilogy of books based around the child (later woman) Emily. Emily experiences something called "the flash" which is not clearly defined and can happen based on very different circumstances. But it is described as a moment of transcendent experience and insight for the young girl. When I read these books I immediately knew what Montgomery was talking about. I didn't have a precisely equivalent experience, but I had other experiences that were close enough.
And yes no cultural inheritance comes down completely intact...though I think some are more intact than others.